7th Dimension - A point ?!

[Red]

Greetings,

It was 3 am, I needed an aspirin because my brain was about to pop and what did I do? I looked at some new idea of understanding 10 dimensions... great... Well it's a bit over 4 am now, and I'm a bit puzzled about the 7th dimension.

You see in the animation menu... each dimension is accompanied by their relevant erm... Representation? ... I mean this:

You can see 0 is a point, 1 is a line, 2 is a split, 3 is a fold... 4 is again a line, 5 is again a split, 6 is again a fold... but 7... well here's the tricky part... 7 is represented as being a line, but is shown as being a point in the actual animation:


Well I'm confused, not only because there's this small "gap" between what the menu shows and what the animation shows... but I just don't get how, imagining every possible timeline that starts with our Big Bang and every possible ending of this Big Bang ... and then treating it as being a point... makes dimension 7. I mean, I can see it being a dimension only when we create a second universe. A new Big Bang, a new formula that describes gravity, a new temperature at which ice melts etc etc... create all the possible timelines for that Big Bang with all it's possible endings... treat THAT as a new point and then uniting those two points we represent the 7th dimension with a line.
What I'm basically saying is that we fall back to the first part of the animation. If we treat the infinity of our universe's timelines as being a point. That point has no dimension. Or if you really want it could be part of 7 8 or 9 for that matter... it alone cannot represent the 7th dimension.

To further support my theory. Dimension 8, as shown in the actual animation and the animation menu, is a split.

Notice how from the 7th dimension - a point we jump to the 8th dimension - a split.

Where's the line ?!

hah, I'm thinking like a 2 year old that gets accustomed to something and can't think outside that box. But really now... I just don't understand why dimension 7 is a point; then again... I don't understand why dimension 10 is a point either... we treat the entire wave of possibilities as being a point, I just don't get how that soul point creates the dimension.

Hoping someone responds and going to bed to get a couple of hours of sleep...

Red.

night

[Rob Bryanton]

Hi Red, thanks for the post. Here's what I was thinking about:

According to the concept I have created, you are absolutely right. You don't have a full dimension until you can think of at least two points that don't occupy the dimension below. Going back to the start, then, a point in the first dimension would not be a dimension, but two points would be the endpoints of a line segment, and that line would stretch to infinity (or the limits of the system it occupied) in either direction. That line, then, created by those two points, could be called a representation of the first dimension. Any third point that you care to imagine would have to be someplace not on that first line if you were going to imagine a second dimension.

Now let's go back to the way of imagining the dimensions that we're exploring here: if our universe and all its timelines were to be a point in the seventh dimension, we're not imagining a full dimension yet, we're just imagining a point. We would have to imagine a second point which is not in the dimension below if we are going to be able to call this a new dimension. So what would our second point in the seventh dimension be? It would be the point representing some other different-initial-conditions universe and all of its timelines.

Gravity is an easy one to imagine changing here, since physicists tell us that gravity is a force which transcends the dimensions: so what if we imagine that the second point in the seventh dimension that we were going to imagine was a universe where gravity was stronger than it is here? That new point, then, would have its own six dimensions below, representing all of the possible scenarios and expressions of matter that would have occurred from this different value for gravity. And travelling on that line in the seventh dimension from the point representing our own universe to this other universe, we would be looking at the universes that result from all the intermediate values between our own universe and the other universe we have just imagined. And again, the endpoints of the line segment we have just imagined could be extended to form a line which travels through every possible universe that could have resulted from every possible value that could be assigned to gravity.

But what if we want to look at universes where some other constant is changed? Those universes would not be on the line we just imagined. If we forget about the first line we just drew, we could imagine a new seventh dimensional line which travels through the universes resulting from this second value being changed. But in order to consider both lines at the same time, we would be looking at two lines that branch off from each other, and both lines would be part of a plane which would be the eighth dimension.

I hope this explanation helps you to understand my reasoning as I put the animation and the book together. Thanks for writing!

Rob

[Red]

Hey Rob. Thanks for answering

In the first paragraph you understood me perfectly. Congrats on that part, but I already understand the concept of dimensions 7 through 9.
For another 7th dimension point to exist we need a different Big Bang... That has a different set of 1D, 2D, 3D and timelines. As for dimension 10 that sole point can't define the dimension alone.

Hmz well to be frank, I didn't quite understand how the branch in 8th appeared but now I do. Thanks a lot for that . Your previous post indeed added some much needed info on some aspects on how to create the line and branch in the 7th and 8th dimension, respectively.

But this dose not answer my first question. And I'm sorry if I wasn't to clear the first time.
Why is dimension 7 treated as a point in the animation and as a line in the menu. Shouldn't it be a line in the animation too ?

Cheers,
Red.

[Rob Bryanton]

Hi Red,

In the animation, we say that our universe is a point in the seventh dimension. That point by itself would not make a new dimension unless there was another point to draw a line to. So in the explanation that immediately follows "a point in 7" in the animation, we discuss (in a more abbreviated way from what I've explained here in the forum) the same idea - that a line to another point representing some other different-initial-conditions universe would be a line in the seventh dimension, and a third point that didn't fall on that line would have to be in the 8th dimension.

The animation tries to get through a set of challenging ideas reasonably quickly, considering that for some people many of these ideas would be brand new. But I think if you go back and listen to the narration again, you will see that "a point in 7" is only part of the explanation of the seventh dimension, and that I am definitely not trying to say that the seventh dimension is only a point.

As for the tenth dimension, you are absolutely right, according to the concepts established up to there, the tenth should not qualify as a full dimension, because it represents the ultimate layer of indeterminacy - it is "outside the system". It still qualifies somewhat though, because it is different from the ninth dimension, which our imaginary construct allows us to freely roam within, unlike the tenth, which is only a point of indeterminate size.

Thanks for writing!

Rob

[Red]

Howdy again and excuse me for my late response... I've been ... detained...

Hmz... I understand you Rob... I just fail to see how your responses answer my question.

Seeing as how private messages are disabled here... I'll try to put it blunt this time , a simple answer will suffice... and we'll continue on from there if you still want to endulge my little questions...

What *Is* the 7th dimension ?

1. a point
2. a line

[scopa]

The little image that you posted says, "A point in 7" NOT "7 - A Point"

The 7th Dimention is the line between two possible big bang realities.

[Red]

thank you so it is a line

[jchin]

Me and my friend were discussing the dimensions, and I was stuck at what it meant to be in the 7th, 8th and 9th dimensions. This discussion has helped me understand what it might mean to be living in these dimensions.

Just to be sure, would you say a line in the 7th dimension is representing a constant [such as gravity] and all of its values [aka from a constant of infinite gravity to actually be negative infitnity gravity], and that a point on this line is just one universe with a set constant for gravity?

To go from 7th dimension to 8th dimension, its essentially saying that along this line of gravity, that you could draw another line representing another constant [such as the speed of light]? And this third point not along the first two points would represent the 8th dimension?

And lastly, that if a 9nth dimension did exist that we could go from a point on the gravity constant line and suddenly appear on the point on the speed of light constant line [just like how an ant would jump from point to point in a 3d world in a 2d environment]?

[Rob Bryanton]

Hi jchin, welcome to the forum. Yes, it sounds like you're following my reasoning very well. Here are some blog entries which might also help to clarify things for you:

http://imaginingthetenthdimension.blogs ... sions.html
http://imaginingthetenthdimension.blogs ... holes.html
http://imaginingthetenthdimension.blogs ... verse.html
http://imaginingthetenthdimension.blogs ... point.html

Thanks for writing!
Rob