If God is the 10th Dimension, where is Hell?

[white lotus]

IMHO:

Zen has an interesting concept that... as our souls are a direct physical representation, one tiny aspect, of the Everything (Nirvana), the soul we are has one task. That task is to find the path back to the Everything. Once that task is complete the soul has achieved Nirvana. While souls walk this path in physical form on this Earth they are walking in a living hell. A soul's desire to experience life in the physical form could be equated to the "fallen angel" in Christianity... subsequently making "Satan" our ego, being desirous or sinful, while "God" is our soul, being pure or holy. Eventually, and this may take many life cycles, souls tire of the material world and complete the process by extinguishing the ego and becoming pure and gracious enough to reenter that from which we came. This is the basis for the Zen logic. According to Zen... we currently live in Maya, the point (or dimension) at which the spiritual and the physical can coexist.

[Rob Bryanton]

Thanks for the interesting post! I'm fascinated by the relationship between us as observers of the quantum wave function of the universe, and the ancient wisdom that says there are parts of that observer system which exist outside of our physical bodies.

Thanks for writing,
Rob

[Nether-D]

IMHO:

Zen has an interesting concept that... as our souls are a direct physical representation, one tiny aspect, of the Everything (Nirvana), the soul we are has one task. That task is to find the path back to the Everything. Once that task is complete the soul has achieved Nirvana. While souls walk this path in physical form on this Earth they are walking in a living hell. A soul's desire to experience life in the physical form could be equated to the "fallen angel" in Christianity... subsequently making "Satan" our ego, being desirous or sinful, while "God" is our soul, being pure or holy. Eventually, and this may take many life cycles, souls tire of the material world and complete the process by extinguishing the ego and becoming pure and gracious enough to reenter that from which we came. This is the basis for the Zen logic. According to Zen... we currently live in Maya, the point (or dimension) at which the spiritual and the physical can coexist.

I was about to begin an argument, before I noticed it was futile (I lol'd at myself). So, up to the relevant part, the concept of sin... I find it debatable. Right now it i sold tothe people as a stain... but I don't think that's quite the point in it's "existence" (if there is). The concept of karma (understanding it as the natural reaction from the Universe to our every action) makes more sense in something we call purpose (which would be to learn).

PS: Maya = Illusion? Somebody told me some time ago, and I don't know if you meant that.

[thelowerechelons]

Quakers proport this is the Kingdom of God. I am not opposed to this belief though I am not fully ascribed to it. If you are not grateful for your own existence now than what could you hope to attain from your "afterlife" or afterdeath? Sentience would seem to be the outstanding riddle in this complex phenomena. If our perceptions play such an avid role, especially concerning higher dimensions what with time and decisions, it would seem fitting that said choices would therefore proverbially "reep what has been sewn". Hell could very possibly be a perspective in regards to the big picture, but in regards to "self-hood", it would be,at our level of perception,the entire picture. It thus seems only fitting that religion be a personal choice.

[Slimjim]

Since this forum discusses the spiritual implications, I'm going to throw this in the ring.

I've read a lot about how God is in or is the actual 10th (or highest dimension) and I suppose for those that believe in God it would make perfect sense that God is indeed infinite in every possible way. He sees everything and knows everything because He is the creation of everything in every possible permutation and combination. That sounds extremely God like.

I would tend to disagree. If you acknowledge the possibility that God may exist then by the definition of God you need to stick him at the next extreme. There are no "definites" with God. To say that "God is in the 10th dimension" in my opinion is a very serious misconception regarding the understanding of dimensions.

Now, I am just asking the question hypothetically, where is Satan? He was an angel cast out of heaven by God. As we have interpreted heaven to be the highest dimension, where would a disgraced entity be cast to?

Would you say it's possible to assume that Satan is an idea within your brain?

The religion of Christianity actually needs an antithesis, or an evil to function. If there was only a God, then everything possible can only be 'good' in Gods eyes and thus the ultimate fate would only be to enter heaven. There would be no example set by God as to what is considered 'evil' and what the ultimate consequence of an evil entity will be (which would be to end up in 'hell', wherever that may be).

I tend to think that the entire reason religions exist is to allow for evolution to continue. Simply because a religion becomes "out dated" (understanding that religion needs to evolve with humanity) does not make it incorrect.

So where is hell? Is it any other dimension other than the highest dimensions? If you strictly follow scripture, then you may be able to interpet St. Peter as the Guardian in the 9th dimension, who holds the passkey into entry into the 10th. So is it unlikely Hell would also be in the 9th dimension. Or maybe hell IS the 9th dimension. The final destination, to flounder for the rest of eternity, where St Peter will infinitely refuse entry into the 10th dimension, and thus, entry into 'heaven' where God ultimately is?

Any thoughts?

Would you say that at the very last possible moment that you are alive hell could be the last "process" that your brain had? If you acknowledge the existence of a different dimension then do you see that it is possible to "exist" within this state for the rest of your perceivable eternity?

Edit: What I'm trying to implicate is the possibility of Quantum Immortality. I don't believe in Quantum Immortality (because we are not Quantum Beings based on functionality, we are 3 dimensional as our DNA defines us. It is more likely to take up existence in someone else's brain than it is to exist forever.)

[dedman818]

If you are talking about Hell from a Judeo Christian Biblical sense then, like most any stories from that long ago, you have to look at context and origin. Through various reading through the years, and quite nicely compressed on wikipedia, the original Jewish concept of Hell was not what Dante depicted. It is thought to originate from the Valley of Gehenna which was a place of Pagan ritual and later turned into an ever roaring trash fire for the nearby city. I can not say that this IS the root of Hell, but from what I've read it would seem that this is what was later manipulated into the vision we have now.

People also think that Hell has to exist to hold Satan. But there's another topic that needs looked into. No early text claims that Satan was the serpent in Eden. Many things have been attributed to the name without scripture to back them up. The fact that it is considered a name itself is false. It was a Hebrew word. The earliest texts we have talking about Satan are Hebrew copies of the Book of Job, in which case an angel is called "ha satan" or "shatan" depending on how you want to Romanize it. That word means "the accuser." Really it isn't a name, but just an adjective to describe that one angel in that one circumstance where an angel was voicing doubt in God and the faith he receives.

These are not FACTS but what I have come to believe due to my research. But it is my belief that Hell and Satan were altered by word of mouth by the time that Jesus began preaching, and has only mutated more since then. I do not see Hell as being a necessary concept in order to believe in God, the Hebrew God or any other.

Also just to add in:

I also have a theory where God and Satin are the same person, which makes heaven and hell the same place. For example, if you lived a good life, heaven would be a good place but if you lived a bad life, heaven would be bad.

There is a very rare Grecian origin god known as Abrasax, later mistranslated to Abraxas, which was thought to be not just a god, but ALL gods embodied in one. It was good and evil in one entity, and its name added up to 365, which I think is to represent that in the goodness of harvest and the plight of winter it is all under Gods domain.