Dissociatives and perception of higher dimensions

Dissociatives and perception of higher dimensions

Postby Royaltramp » Wed May 05, 2010 12:03 pm

Well first I'd like to start by introducing myself, since I just signed up here. My name's Matt and I have a huge interest in science, spirituality, and the impacts both positive and negative that various drugs can make on our lives. I discovered Imagining the Tenth Dimension on a forum I frequent a while back, however since it was embedded I forgot to take a look at the Youtube channel or look into it further. Today I stumbled upon the video again, only this time I started to watch some of the other videos on the channel, and also ended up finding this site, and this forum.

Now, a while back, prior to having seen this video, I had a wonderful experience that some may describe as a "religious experience". I myself am not a fan of religion, as I feel it is just a mask on the face of true spirituality that is used to control the masses, however I did have to acknowledge the true spiritual "feeling" to the whole thing.

I experiment with recreational drugs, provided that I do the proper research beforehand to ensure I can use each drug in the most safe way possible, minimising risks of harm and addiction. To this day this approach has led me to learn a very large amount from drugs, without some of the dangers and problems that other inexperienced drug users often face.

One set of hallucinogens, which I'm sure many of you know about, are dissociatives. My experience happened after having consumed approximately 250mg of Ketamine HCl (insufflated) with little/no tolerance to the drug.

The onset of the experience was fast, I began to feel the familiar "drunken" feeling that low doses of dissociatives produce, then objects began to lose their familiarity, I began to feel numb, and soon my senses seemed to melt together and act in unimaginable ways. I decided to lay down in my bed to ensure I did not do myself any harm while under the influence, and sure enough, I made the right decision. Within a few minutes I felt a strange sensation come over me, I no longer recognised the world around me, and soon enough it felt like I was slipping away until.. Bang! I was gone, I was in a mass of infinite energy, but there was no "I", I had just joined this energy to become part of infinity, everything and nothing was perceivable at once, there was no happiness, no sadness, no people, no animals, no land, no space, just ALL. After several hundred million years (my best estimate at the time, it felt like eternity), I returned to our 3rd dimension, checked the clock, and a whole.. 20 minutes had passed.

The experience was life changing to say the least, I went on to revisit this other dimension several times and with each time I learnt new things, I also completely lost my fear of death, and had this feeling at the back of my mind that I had left the realm of inexplicable belief and entered something that could (albeit with a great deal of effort) be explained by science and logic. When I watched the Youtube video for Imagining the Tenth Dimension, it shocked me at how it adequately explained what I had experienced, I spoke to some people about it, but they were both not very scientifically knowledgeable, and against the use of psychoactive substances of any kind (though ironically indulging heavily in caffeine and alcohol), so the idea did not sit well with them.

Recently I was guiding someone through their first experience with a large dose of Dextromethorphan (DXM), another dissociative, and while they did not reach the level of experience that I did (DXM is weaker than Ketamine by a fair amount, so a ridiculously large dose must be taken in order to get the same effects), there were many parallels to the multiple dimension theory, with them perceiving multiple instances of time at once, and then multiple universes..

It almost makes me think that dissociatives can and do act as a switch that allows us to perceive any/all of the 10 dimensions, with a very small dose keeping us in the 3rd, a larger dose taking us into the 4th, and incrementally larger doses taking us to the 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th and finally 10th dimensions.

What I was interested in firstly, has anyone else had a similar experience? From a scientific point of view, how could this be explained, is it possible that while switching off our senses, we actually become more attuned to other dimensions?

I look forward to your replies :)

Edit: I'd just like to add, while some mislabel it as a psychedelic, Salvia Divinorum is a dissociative just like Ketamine, DXM, PCP, and several other less commonly used examples such as Tiletamine.
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Re: Dissociatives and perception of higher dimensions

Postby humberga » Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:13 pm

I completely agree with you. I recently for the first time tried psyclobin which I believe helps you visualize the greater dimensions but doesn't bring you to them. Also just recently I tried salvia. It was insane. I also understand proper dosing. I had 0.1 gram of 20x Salvia Extract. The 20x means that the gram of salvia was enhanced with the salvinorium A of 19 grams of salvia. Its like hitting 2gs of salvia in a hit I guess.

The first trip I took my hit and lay down in my bed. From there I started getting this skipping vision that I now associate with salvia effects coming up. After this I slipped into a different reality too. I saw life without time. I saw all of the life of someone maybe me, I'm not sure. As if I was experiencing my life at once maybe. Then it breadth-ed upon me that my reality and universe was ultimately insignificant in the world when I noticed that my life was just a closet and there were infinite closets and that I may not be able to get back. From here I tried to tear my way out of my trip into reality as the trip was pulling on me. Eventually I was brought back, very sweaty, very jumpy, and my nerves were all tingling. I was rolling around on my bed with the feeling of pins and needles everywhere which eventually ended.

So basically I felt that the trip had some very interesting insights into the 4th and maybe 5th dimensions when I visualized life without the restrictions of lineal time. My other revelation may be tied to the 7/8 dimensions.

I still don't understand anything all that well but this is amazing.
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Re: Dissociatives and perception of higher dimensions

Postby Slimmyjim » Sat Jul 17, 2010 6:12 am

I like this sort of approach however you need to understand that it is wrong as well as right. I myself have not "tried" anything besides weed a handful of times and alcohol countless times. I get... Borderline schizophrenic I think when I try weed which made me hellishly apprehensive for anything else and I get too confident when I drink alcohol. It doesn't make sense to assume that drugs create accuracy within perception. You'll find a lot of ideas conform to some of the states you viewed but you'll be less likely to think of something accurate on your own. (Which is why I like your approach of taking shit in moderation with knowledge before blindly running into it.)

The conclusions that a person who does not use drugs make is far far more accurate than the conclusions that a person who uses them makes especially in society now. This is due to "Accuracy with apparent intuitive abilities" or "Application in a 4 dimensional state from a 3 dimensional perspective with a 5 dimensional utility" or more simply iterating through time with your mind. You'll find that people who are left and right brain oriented and appreciate a "Greater good" or simply appreciate something beyond themselves will on average become incredibly good at what they want more often than not compared to people who are dominantly left or right brain oriented.

Anyways, most drugs are banned in society so funnily enough if you find yourself naturally attracted to drugs I think on average you will be a "better choice by natural selection" on an evolutionary scale.
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